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@Houston2025 fwiw i never used boosts and found them useless in my rapid journey to top creator, it seems more like they were for people who wanted to dump a lot of money into making a certain question more accurate, and not great for self promo
@dlin007 The logic is that people should instead use liquidity provision to "pay for exposure" (as it should be favored by the algorithm, and the "explore" feed isn't as prominent so boosts were slightly broken).
FWIW, while the boosts system wasn't great, I do basically agree that this is a shame, and specifically the algorithm doesn't currently do enough to actually reward higher liquidity markets. The previous status quo (imperfect boosts system) was a bit better than not having any boosts at all (there was clear low hanging fruit to improve the boosts system, but the manifold team is very oversubscribed so that's not necessarily a helpful expectation).
@Ziddletwix not sure i understood the proposed new system so let me put it this way - how do I bootstrap a new market when i'm the only one that knows about it? most people have <5 followers so sharing is not an option
@strutheo disagree - i could reliably get a market on the first half of the "Browse" page with Boosts, and if it was any interesting then it would grow organically.
@dlin007 oh it's more simple than that (& barely a system)βthe best/hot algorithms reward market liquidity as one of many inputs. So the idea is that if you want more people to see your market, you pay e.g. 10k in liquidity instead, and it gets a small visibility boost in the algorithm.
In practice, as you'd expect, the connection is pretty weak. It's been a bit since I looked at the code, but IIRC, (1) the main thing is it's just one input among many, externally we can't easily test how much increasing the liquidity helps things, but paying 10x or 100x in liquidity likely translates into a pretty subtle difference in initial visibility, & (2) from when I last looked, the way it measured liquidity was a bit crude, IIRC it was just based on elasticity (measuring the change from a 10k bet in both directions), e.g. it struggles to differentiate the difference between 100M & 1000M markets & etc (in theory it should also reward keeping limit orders up, but again, the mapping from "this market is more liquid for bettors in practice" to "what the algo measures as liquidity" is pretty tenuous, metrics are hard to get right!).
I'm not super confident in that 2nd point because it's been a bit since I looked at the code (and in general it's hard to externally check this stuff), but the 1st point is pretty straightforward. More liquidity absolutely boosts visibility in the algorithm, but it's a small effect (while liquidity is expensive). So if you want to spend 2000M to really push some more people to see your market, boosts will be way more direct than this. In cases where the market closes early and/or you can safely withdraw liquidity after a bit, then this system is more effective (because paying 10x or 100x in liquidity might only cost you a small fraction of that after much of that liquidity is returned).
(and to be clear, I do think something like the boosts system is natural and good, even if it wasn't working perfectly. certainly, the liquidity system isn't particularly mature either, so it's not like this is a clean replacement)
@Ziddletwix this was really interesting to read, thanks.
Does this mean you can get a boost in the algorithm without paying anything by putting up big limit orders? (I mean obviously you might pay something if somebody takes one of your orders and the market resolves against you, but nothing up front I mean.)
Or does this not work for some reason related to "mapping is pretty tenuous; metrics are hard."?
@Ziddletwix great insight, thanks. i had forgotten the website was open source so I can actually just clone it and poke around
advice for creators would be - make a lot of questions, either be topical/news or fun/interesting , be social on discord and in other people's markets, dont make the end dates too far out, Y/N seem to do better than MC (depending on the algorithm of the month, idk anymore), reposting comments on your markets helps, think of topics that existing users would be interested in (you can make a good guess what a bunch of tech nerds would like - gaming, etc)
dark side tips - crypto/stocks always get attention when the markets are up, coinflips/ whalebait usually work,
coolfold tip - cross the streams, combine two topics to multiply the uncertainties and interested communities (ex /strutheo/will-dick-cheney-live-long-enough-t )
@strutheo Thanks :) looking at your profile it also seems a strategy you've used is to follow approximately 100% of the users on the site lol
@Manifold @mods This market is giving me a 404 message. Can it be fixed? Thank you!
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