limit this to the top 4 of the bad guys - that they are european, back through their grandparents were all native speakers of a European language and lived (primarily) in Europe
Open til they're caught or this is known.
They all must have been European
Update 2025-10-20 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): The creator clarifies that the definition of "European" is focused on cultural identity and self-identification rather than strictly ancestry. Specifically:
The key question is whether the robbers are acculturated and consider themselves "from" somewhere in Europe
Alternatively, whether they view themselves as from outside of Europe
This adds a subjective cultural dimension beyond the original criteria about grandparents being native speakers of European languages and living primarily in Europe.
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3.00@JoshuaWilkes I'll add a disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that @Ernie is racist.
I'm trying to say that this is misjudged.
yeah I'm going for why it's okay/interesting to wonder if they're all male, and to be surprised if they're not, but not any other aspect of their culture. I spent a long time with claude trying to figure out a way to ask this meaningfully.
Also, not that it'll matter, but I'm claiming that it really is a lot about the culture. I think European is even harder to define than French. Basically what I'm going for is whether the robbers will be acculturated and consider themselves "from" somewhere in Europe, or whether they view themselves as from outside of it.
@JoshuaWilkes I don't want to exclude people who were european or french, which is why I didn't ask race. From talking with Claude it seemed like the best signifier might be something small like whether they use the traditional French cheek kiss greeting or not (with their family, say) and use that as the marker for whether at a personal level this was an attack towards "their own" culture or towards the outside.
I was going for whether they were primarily coming from outside or inside. France has long had different ethnic groups so that isn't really a match. More like the psychological approach they took - was this someone doing the attaack towards a "stranger", or was it someone who understood the meaning of the Louvre at some point in their life?
@Ernie my point was more that you were excluding people who grew up in Europe with European nationalities many of whom who identify as European
@JoshuaWilkes yeah, I agree with your criticism, and the market was failing to do what I wanted. (specifically because it excluded people who had acculturated although having come in recently, and also failed to exclude french people who would adopt anti-french ideologies despite local family history) So I NA'd it. I basically wanted to know whether the overall direction of the attack was "in" or "out".
I considered making a new one simple on whether they use the tradition french cheek-kiss greeting or not (as a sign of acceptance of french culture) but it seems hard to find out for specific criminals unless we see them in social settings.
@Wott yeah, I agree w/your critique. I was having difficulty figuring out how to divide up the space. There are clear cases where they're not European, but also clear cases where they are, and I unfortunately think it's an interesting question.
Language might be a good way to divide things, since that goes so well with culture. Perhaps something like them speaking a non-European language at home? OTOH say the thieves were all born and bred 3 generations in hollywood, native english speakers, I'd want to count that as not European.